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I was refering to willpower, but technically sin did lead to aging, but thats not important right now. But onto the main point, no it wouldnt take longer than their lifespan, while it would be different tactics, it still is a relatively quick thing as the immediate result of not reading the bible or going to church results in a tear in the bond with the person and God, and then satan just escalates the tear with more intense stuff until there is no connection.
I guess thats somewhat fair if the person is dead and the were sinful, then yeah, i guess they wouldnt have free will because they spend eternity without god who has given them free will. But isnt someone that mentally broken when alive just a depressed person, who is more than capable of curing said depression and therefore meaning that you do have freewill?
Here’s a question! You can erase one bad person from history, and make them leave a good landmark in society rather than the atrocities they’ve committed (Dead and alive)
Tell that to the hundreds of natives murdered by Christian men colonizing America. Tell that to the mothers they gutted. They threw unborn babies into the ocean. Tell that to the children taken from their homes and getting punished and killed for not letting their history be erased. 75% of the corpses in Indian boarding school were never returned to the families
Sorry had to find my way back here to explain this. So, context, in the old testament, god gave us free will, but satan used that to corrupt man, God got mad at all the heretics, or non believers and killed them via flood, the burning of nenevah, etc, etc. But after jesus came died for our sins (new testament), God promised never to flood the earth or kill ever again. So now we’re here, those people who did that mass murder still go to hell, only forgiveness is through christ.
I’m sorry but, yeah??? so??? what is your point here?
I know that already, but that does excuse my point; god is compliant when people commit atrocities in his name.
Like for example let’s say that a bunch of non-believers get slaughtered by christians, then as you say those christians would go to hell. But do the non-believers also go to hell? What if they were christians too but were killed despite stating so, and as their final breath denounce God and Jesus? Would they go to hell for discarding their faith last second?
Even if they were allowed entry into heaven as they are the victim, nothing was done to save them, in fact God’s teachings were a contributer to these people’s deaths. And the only thing this omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent creature can do it pat you on the back and say “sorry about all that, here enjoy your afterlife with all your friends!”? It then feels like someone apologising for something they can’t control or they just don’t care enough so they are apologising instead of doing anything else that requires more effort.
It is said that for those who havent heard of the gospel are allowed into heaven, for they did not know about the lord and therefore cannot be punished, which is why all children are allowed into heaven
Understandable, it probably says in the bible and i just havent gotten there yet. But typically its around when christian children (this is just an example, could be for any type of child but this is the most likely one) has thoughts that go beyond a simple prayer and desire a deeper understanding of jesus
Semi-correct, in my example i used, or the deeper understanding of jesus, is around 7 to 13 roughly, i dont think i have seen a 5 year old really care about much other than… idk an ipad?
Yeah… different anon from me, not sure what that guys on about since he wasnt descriptive enough to have a good enough debate. Gonna kill this strand off right here if you dont mind.
What if I told you that I was the anon that started all of this by saying that God wasn’t bad, and that you have been arguing with a different anon that wandered into the comments and took over with you?
How does that make you feel? (I kind of genuinely want to know)
There is no promise, it all depends on the free will that i use. If i choose to follow god properly, i will be a “good christian man” as you say. If i fail, i go to hell and my whole family assume i went to heaven, just like everyone else. I do hope you all, along with myself do end up following christ, it is worth it i promise.
No what if in the future all that you thought was good was seen as evil. Holding on to laws does nothing but harm others. To truly do something good is to create. Make or change something so moving forward your see as a hero. Religion is a gamble but you creat something definitely good then you would always be seen as good
Hold on, im really tired right now so i may not grasp all of your words so i apologize in advance. If holding onto laws does nothing but “harm others” than why have we stuck with a law system since before christ, heck since civilization was formed. If to do something good is to create, then that makes god great since he made literally everything, from the ground you stand on, to the stars you see in the sky
So are you saying government sponsored killing is bad? (I agree) Are you saying using religion as an excuse for killing is bad? (I agree) Or are you saying that religion isn’t something to be blamed for these killings and that truly it’s just the government sponsored part?
In the same vein as your “atheist communism” thingy, a lot of capitalist nations historically have been christian. So are we going to blame the order of magnitude more deaths of capitalist on christianity?
It was a bit more than two, i dont remember the exact amount since its been a while since i read that book, but if he were to purify them that would be taking away their freewill, since they would just go right back to sinning. Make sense?
1. Even if there were 50 of each species you would run into genetic complications down the line (like 5 generations at best).
2a. As well as this, I don’t mean absolution of sins, I mean teaching them to be better / rehabilitation, just all that growth in character would be instantaneous rather than months to years of counseling and therapy.
2b. Also to be absolved in the first place you would have to repent and regret all your actions, thus changing as a person; so after changing for the better why would these people go straight back into sinning again?
1. God has control over genetics while making the human or animal, therefore he can stop genetic complications if for a good reason (the hapsburgs not being one)
2A. You’re correct, and he tried, and they listened… for about 50 or so years, and went right back because of Satan. And the flood and other things wasnt just because of corrupted man or animals, but the nephilim who were human/demon hybrids. (No, since nephilim were not created by god like humans, satan had control over what they looked like.
1. That argument just boils down to “he has a good reason . . . for this specific case”. I feel like this just feeds into the pattern where christians tend to limit God’s interference in the world, by saying “he made a promise to not interfere / interfere again” even though people would suffer for it but the issue is that the justification for this promise is always outweighed by the positives of simply fixing the problem. Which makes God a hypocrite, as wouldn’t God’s benevolence come before his honor?
Look, i aint a master Christian debater like Cliffe Knechtle, but im doin my best to explain. I understand what you’re saying but i, like many other christians, dont have a full grasp on God’s ways like the popes, or the priests, or the pastors (unless its a megachurch, they are all liars who extort people, thats 100% real) but God does still interfere a little because while he did hand the keys to satan, he still has some control. He can give visions, or dreams, or even send people your way. Its a lot more subtle than satan of course but when you see a dream or vision of jesus, and only hear the devil whisper in your ear, whats more convincing?
What do you mean by “hand off the keys to satan”, like he gave him control of hell? or what?
If I saw a vision of any deity, I would think I am dehydrated. Also if the “devil’s whispers” are just impulsive thoughts or temptations or insecurities, then wouldn’t they be more effective as people spend more time away than sleeping? (though I guess you could say that God has other measures)
Control of earth, not hell, technically satan has rule of both due to adam and eve. But God also whispers in your ear and as previously said, can send people your way, its an equal tug of war since the person in the middle gets to choose who to follow
Ok this updates what I know about the bible but sure. By the way what do you think of the “Church of Satan”, not the AntiChrist, not the Satanic Temple?
2a. When you say “50 years” do you mean there was a new generation? or that the people returned to their old ways? Anyway not really that important, since you said that God failed to convince these people to be better and that Satan lured them back. One: Doesn’t that make Satan is as powerful as God? but then why didn’t Satan create anything? or at least interfere with the creation process if you think he is all evil? And two: How come God seems to have the same influence over these people as some global celebrity? (to the effect of; advice is given, you follow it due to respect and awe at the person. You try to pass it on but your kids don’t get why you are so attached to is and thus don’t retain it)
One: no, while satan was an arch angel he is still below the father, the son, and the holy spirit, and as previously stated, God reveals himself in subtle way, which i didnt list completely since there is so many. satan dod create things, like more demons, the nephilim, and other horrid creatures that i forgot the name of, also, creation of godly things, like us and the animals you see, are created in heaven, but seen in the womb. Satan cannot interfere with that since it is created in heaven where he cant access
Thats a tough one actually, im not too sure. Im assuming that while yes is below God and Jesus he was also meant to be the arch angel of worship. So i’d assume thats why, but also his temporary ownership over earth is also a key factor to play into and the fact that following satan is way easier than following God. You can do whatever you want when following satan, but with God you have to avoid drugs, masturbation, cursing, and so on.
Oh, and 2B. Same reason why modern christians do, satan and other demons simply corrupted them again, its like a tug of war in a way. It starts with a “you can miss one day of church.” Or a “you dont need to read the bible right now…” or a “just one time, whats the worst that can happen?” And if said human listens, then its all down hill, now obviously this isnt 100% true, some humans fall every once in a while cuz nobody is perfect, and God understands that and thats why repenting exists, way better than the animal rituals in the old testament.
2b. This argument of “if you do good, God is inspiring or telling you how to live your life. if you do bad, Satan is corrupting or tempting you” gets rid of free will. As then no matter what action you take, it is not your own but “inspired from” or “corrupted by”.
Also a change in personality like this isn’t as fickle as some drug relapse. Like if you go from active ultra-racist to BLM and Black Panther ride-or-die supporter, you won’t just one day start randomly going astray until you become ultra racist again. That just doesn’t make sense, it isn’t as simple as drug dependency where you feel like you have to go back to it. If you make that drastic of a change, you wouldn’t relax your values till you’re old and grey. Still, the only difference would be that you don’t have the energy to be as proactive about it anymore
You’re right, i should have specified that it happens over many months to even years depending on if the person did things like drugs before. And you’re also right about the energy part, satan wears down that energy until, over the course of time you drop more and more of it.
But if they have truly changed then the time it would take to lure them back to Satan would be longer than their lifespan, and you wouldn’t be able to use the same tactics as they have seen them before and thus would be rather immune.
So Satan causes aging? or do you mean willpower? Because I was referring to stamina and agility in that sentence.
3. Also the concept of an afterlife kinda goes against free will, as you have 80-100 years of freedom and then at the pearly gates you could have your free will stripped away from you for eternity. Infinity obviously makes a century completely insignificant in comparison and thus for the VAST majority of these people’s existence they will not have any free will at all. Meaning that God is completely fine with disproportionally punishing people and all doesn’t really care for free will all that much if he is willing to keep this arrangement of heaven and hell.
Alright, as i said with the other guy, im really tired and cant fully mentally grasp all you’re saying, especially with so many words, so please forgive me. In heaven, there is still free will, thats how satan (or lucifer, same guy) sinned since the first sin was in heaven, when satan saw his perfect face and pride was born. But the thing is, is that satan has no control in heaven, so while yes it could happen again with a random guy it likely wont. Now yes, god is fine with you sinning, as he gave the domain down here to Satan, its your choice to either follow god or lucifer.
So my point was about how hell takes away free will and that God allows for people to be punished beyond the scope of what’s justified.
You addressed heaven, which was not in my point and then said that God created hell, which he gave over to Satan. So you basically sidestepped my point, and talked about something somewhat related
I apologize, hell cant exactly talke away free will as it was made by God. Hell can only corrupt and make it seem like you dont have free will, and while God does allow it, he doesnt enjoy it. He gives you a chance to not be punished beyond the scope of whats justified, and if you dont take it then the lord may give you visions (not everybody, its random) or people, to try and steer you into the right path atleast.
But then the corruption would effectively take it away anyway, as if you are so mentally broken that you don’t think you have free will, then you don’t. Especially if you can’t think or aren’t coherent.
Also I am talking about postmortem, so all things done while alive are not really considered for this point especially as God’s intervention in mortal life is kinda inconsequential when considered to what the afterlife entails.
I guess if the person is deceased, sure. But lets take a depressed person, we all know a depressed person can cure themselves, while yes some may find it harder than others its still easy, would that not be a sign that free will is possible if a person can choose break free from the hold of depression?
Depression limits your free will, it doesn’t get rid of it. The same as other mental disorders (such as OCD), but usually people need a lot of support or at least a comfortable space so saying “it’s still easy” is insensitive and comes off as naïve and brazen.
If you are at the point where you know longer think for yourself then you don’t have a free will of your own. And thus unless prompted by outside forces (I assume that God can’t interfere in Hell’s affairs) you will stay that way.
Lowkey stupid logic. How could everyone expect 8 people be evil. Either they were also evil and just got chosen or god was lazy and just picked some good enough people. I mean how would the millions of babys on earth be evil?
I’m an atheist.. According to there book, they were are evil and committing crimes that horrified god that why he send the flood.. you gotta learn the CONTEXT…
wdym wrong? if you actually read and understand the bible, you would realize God does things for a reason. Even if that reason makes humans think he’s bad. He sent his ONLY Son to die. . .for humanity. All because he loves us.
Control is also hot, tho consent is given before and affirmation is confirmed during to make sure that if you are about to remove someones ability to consent you have it right before
Honestly BDSM is often attributed to the lack of consent and thus connotated to rape, yet they are simply activities that just happen to be socially scarce. If considering the subject matter fairly, as you have to consent to more specific things that means consent plays a more integral role within more fiendish frolickers than vanilla plebians.
I don’t really like bdsm because being tied up and shit just doesn’t seem consenting like you said and I want my partner to feel nothing but ecstasy and pleasure when we’re doing the dance with no pants
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I was refering to willpower, but technically sin did lead to aging, but thats not important right now. But onto the main point, no it wouldnt take longer than their lifespan, while it would be different tactics, it still is a relatively quick thing as the immediate result of not reading the bible or going to church results in a tear in the bond with the person and God, and then satan just escalates the tear with more intense stuff until there is no connection.
So you think one mistake is enough to turn someone? I think you are understating the integrity of will power and free will . . .
I guess thats somewhat fair if the person is dead and the were sinful, then yeah, i guess they wouldnt have free will because they spend eternity without god who has given them free will. But isnt someone that mentally broken when alive just a depressed person, who is more than capable of curing said depression and therefore meaning that you do have freewill?
What was the comment you meant to reply to? could you just point it out and then I’ll reply
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Fr, honestly just debating with Zynathos for the fun of it at this point
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It was for the fun of it to begin with?
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Here’s a question!
You can erase one bad person from history, and make them leave a good landmark in society rather than the atrocities they’ve committed (Dead and alive)
What if just say God?
but God isn’t bad
Tell that to the hundreds of natives murdered by Christian men colonizing America. Tell that to the mothers they gutted. They threw unborn babies into the ocean. Tell that to the children taken from their homes and getting punished and killed for not letting their history be erased. 75% of the corpses in Indian boarding school were never returned to the families
Those… werent true christians, many people use gods name to do things, myself included since.. well im here and not reading the bible like i should
That doesn’t excuse God’s compliance by letting it all happen and/or not being specific enough in the bible
Sorry had to find my way back here to explain this. So, context, in the old testament, god gave us free will, but satan used that to corrupt man, God got mad at all the heretics, or non believers and killed them via flood, the burning of nenevah, etc, etc. But after jesus came died for our sins (new testament), God promised never to flood the earth or kill ever again. So now we’re here, those people who did that mass murder still go to hell, only forgiveness is through christ.
I’m sorry but, yeah??? so??? what is your point here?
I know that already, but that does excuse my point; god is compliant when people commit atrocities in his name.
Like for example let’s say that a bunch of non-believers get slaughtered by christians, then as you say those christians would go to hell. But do the non-believers also go to hell? What if they were christians too but were killed despite stating so, and as their final breath denounce God and Jesus? Would they go to hell for discarding their faith last second?
Even if they were allowed entry into heaven as they are the victim, nothing was done to save them, in fact God’s teachings were a contributer to these people’s deaths. And the only thing this omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent creature can do it pat you on the back and say “sorry about all that, here enjoy your afterlife with all your friends!”? It then feels like someone apologising for something they can’t control or they just don’t care enough so they are apologising instead of doing anything else that requires more effort.
It is said that for those who havent heard of the gospel are allowed into heaven, for they did not know about the lord and therefore cannot be punished, which is why all children are allowed into heaven
(No idea what the age limit is or if its until they are old enough to understand the gospel)
That concession in itself is worrying
Understandable, it probably says in the bible and i just havent gotten there yet. But typically its around when christian children (this is just an example, could be for any type of child but this is the most likely one) has thoughts that go beyond a simple prayer and desire a deeper understanding of jesus
So when a child wants to learn more about / get a deeper understanding of existence or just the world. So post-child mental development
Semi-correct, in my example i used, or the deeper understanding of jesus, is around 7 to 13 roughly, i dont think i have seen a 5 year old really care about much other than… idk an ipad?
Phrasing that way makes it seem that the range depends
And it does
So depending on their situation (e.g. upbringing, environment, etc) they get more or less time?
That does not answers ONE point I made . . . well done
it was all for a reason, even if us humans can’t or won’t understand it
it will all make sense eventually
Copium, and an excuse to offload the burden of an accountable explanation to an ethereal body without the constraints of moral or said accountability.
Yeah… different anon from me, not sure what that guys on about since he wasnt descriptive enough to have a good enough debate. Gonna kill this strand off right here if you dont mind.
Sure I guess
I was never really good with debates :wilting_rose:
LMAO
What if I told you that I was the anon that started all of this by saying that God wasn’t bad, and that you have been arguing with a different anon that wandered into the comments and took over with you?
How does that make you feel? (I kind of genuinely want to know)
I could not care less as I can’t tell you apart anyway
In that era they were called good Christian men. What’s saying that you won’t be called evil in the future
There is no promise, it all depends on the free will that i use. If i choose to follow god properly, i will be a “good christian man” as you say. If i fail, i go to hell and my whole family assume i went to heaven, just like everyone else. I do hope you all, along with myself do end up following christ, it is worth it i promise.
No what if in the future all that you thought was good was seen as evil. Holding on to laws does nothing but harm others. To truly do something good is to create. Make or change something so moving forward your see as a hero. Religion is a gamble but you creat something definitely good then you would always be seen as good
Hold on, im really tired right now so i may not grasp all of your words so i apologize in advance. If holding onto laws does nothing but “harm others” than why have we stuck with a law system since before christ, heck since civilization was formed. If to do something good is to create, then that makes god great since he made literally everything, from the ground you stand on, to the stars you see in the sky
Kinda fire??
Good Christian men where you getting this sources??
It’s paraphrasing
Not to mention in Africa or even just in europe
You mean State sponsored colonialism with a zeal is bad…
what is “a zeal” and yeah (at least if the word “zeal” doesn’t effect the direction of that sentence as I currently understand it)
Yeah, because it’s government sponsored with religious undertones
I went gonna blame atheist communism for the deaths of thousands of people then?
So are you saying government sponsored killing is bad? (I agree)
Are you saying using religion as an excuse for killing is bad? (I agree)
Or are you saying that religion isn’t something to be blamed for these killings and that truly it’s just the government sponsored part?
In the same vein as your “atheist communism” thingy, a lot of capitalist nations historically have been christian. So are we going to blame the order of magnitude more deaths of capitalist on christianity?
Your really playing the numbers game….. can we all agree that state sponsored religion zeal is bad?
God is so incredibly petty, vain, and narcisistic.
Plus he killed millions in the older canon
The “older canon” is crazy.
It’s just christian manga bro
Or the christian manual
Forgot the word “testament”
Back before then, the people sacrifice there babies and shit to the gods … The people written against practice and codified in the Torah
Yeah the flood was kinda unnecessary when God could have just struck all evil people with lightning and left everyone else perfectly fine
Pretty much everyone was evil, only 8 pure people were left and they were Noah and his Family who were on the ark along with the animals
Even then, he could have just purified them or if that wasn’t possible he didn’t need to kill all animals except two
It was a bit more than two, i dont remember the exact amount since its been a while since i read that book, but if he were to purify them that would be taking away their freewill, since they would just go right back to sinning. Make sense?
1. Even if there were 50 of each species you would run into genetic complications down the line (like 5 generations at best).
2a. As well as this, I don’t mean absolution of sins, I mean teaching them to be better / rehabilitation, just all that growth in character would be instantaneous rather than months to years of counseling and therapy.
2b. Also to be absolved in the first place you would have to repent and regret all your actions, thus changing as a person; so after changing for the better why would these people go straight back into sinning again?
1. God has control over genetics while making the human or animal, therefore he can stop genetic complications if for a good reason (the hapsburgs not being one)
2A. You’re correct, and he tried, and they listened… for about 50 or so years, and went right back because of Satan. And the flood and other things wasnt just because of corrupted man or animals, but the nephilim who were human/demon hybrids. (No, since nephilim were not created by god like humans, satan had control over what they looked like.
1. That argument just boils down to “he has a good reason . . . for this specific case”. I feel like this just feeds into the pattern where christians tend to limit God’s interference in the world, by saying “he made a promise to not interfere / interfere again” even though people would suffer for it but the issue is that the justification for this promise is always outweighed by the positives of simply fixing the problem. Which makes God a hypocrite, as wouldn’t God’s benevolence come before his honor?
Look, i aint a master Christian debater like Cliffe Knechtle, but im doin my best to explain. I understand what you’re saying but i, like many other christians, dont have a full grasp on God’s ways like the popes, or the priests, or the pastors (unless its a megachurch, they are all liars who extort people, thats 100% real) but God does still interfere a little because while he did hand the keys to satan, he still has some control. He can give visions, or dreams, or even send people your way. Its a lot more subtle than satan of course but when you see a dream or vision of jesus, and only hear the devil whisper in your ear, whats more convincing?
What do you mean by “hand off the keys to satan”, like he gave him control of hell? or what?
If I saw a vision of any deity, I would think I am dehydrated. Also if the “devil’s whispers” are just impulsive thoughts or temptations or insecurities, then wouldn’t they be more effective as people spend more time away than sleeping? (though I guess you could say that God has other measures)
Control of earth, not hell, technically satan has rule of both due to adam and eve. But God also whispers in your ear and as previously said, can send people your way, its an equal tug of war since the person in the middle gets to choose who to follow
Ok this updates what I know about the bible but sure. By the way what do you think of the “Church of Satan”, not the AntiChrist, not the Satanic Temple?
2a. When you say “50 years” do you mean there was a new generation? or that the people returned to their old ways? Anyway not really that important, since you said that God failed to convince these people to be better and that Satan lured them back. One: Doesn’t that make Satan is as powerful as God? but then why didn’t Satan create anything? or at least interfere with the creation process if you think he is all evil? And two: How come God seems to have the same influence over these people as some global celebrity? (to the effect of; advice is given, you follow it due to respect and awe at the person. You try to pass it on but your kids don’t get why you are so attached to is and thus don’t retain it)
One: no, while satan was an arch angel he is still below the father, the son, and the holy spirit, and as previously stated, God reveals himself in subtle way, which i didnt list completely since there is so many. satan dod create things, like more demons, the nephilim, and other horrid creatures that i forgot the name of, also, creation of godly things, like us and the animals you see, are created in heaven, but seen in the womb. Satan cannot interfere with that since it is created in heaven where he cant access
Ok but then why does he have so much influence if he is so far under god
Me when GTA VI comes before “two”:
Thats a tough one actually, im not too sure. Im assuming that while yes is below God and Jesus he was also meant to be the arch angel of worship. So i’d assume thats why, but also his temporary ownership over earth is also a key factor to play into and the fact that following satan is way easier than following God. You can do whatever you want when following satan, but with God you have to avoid drugs, masturbation, cursing, and so on.
And other religious people make it harder too at times
Oh, and 2B. Same reason why modern christians do, satan and other demons simply corrupted them again, its like a tug of war in a way. It starts with a “you can miss one day of church.” Or a “you dont need to read the bible right now…” or a “just one time, whats the worst that can happen?” And if said human listens, then its all down hill, now obviously this isnt 100% true, some humans fall every once in a while cuz nobody is perfect, and God understands that and thats why repenting exists, way better than the animal rituals in the old testament.
2b. This argument of “if you do good, God is inspiring or telling you how to live your life. if you do bad, Satan is corrupting or tempting you” gets rid of free will. As then no matter what action you take, it is not your own but “inspired from” or “corrupted by”.
Also a change in personality like this isn’t as fickle as some drug relapse. Like if you go from active ultra-racist to BLM and Black Panther ride-or-die supporter, you won’t just one day start randomly going astray until you become ultra racist again. That just doesn’t make sense, it isn’t as simple as drug dependency where you feel like you have to go back to it. If you make that drastic of a change, you wouldn’t relax your values till you’re old and grey. Still, the only difference would be that you don’t have the energy to be as proactive about it anymore
You’re right, i should have specified that it happens over many months to even years depending on if the person did things like drugs before. And you’re also right about the energy part, satan wears down that energy until, over the course of time you drop more and more of it.
But if they have truly changed then the time it would take to lure them back to Satan would be longer than their lifespan, and you wouldn’t be able to use the same tactics as they have seen them before and thus would be rather immune.
So Satan causes aging? or do you mean willpower? Because I was referring to stamina and agility in that sentence.
3. Also the concept of an afterlife kinda goes against free will, as you have 80-100 years of freedom and then at the pearly gates you could have your free will stripped away from you for eternity. Infinity obviously makes a century completely insignificant in comparison and thus for the VAST majority of these people’s existence they will not have any free will at all. Meaning that God is completely fine with disproportionally punishing people and all doesn’t really care for free will all that much if he is willing to keep this arrangement of heaven and hell.
Alright, as i said with the other guy, im really tired and cant fully mentally grasp all you’re saying, especially with so many words, so please forgive me. In heaven, there is still free will, thats how satan (or lucifer, same guy) sinned since the first sin was in heaven, when satan saw his perfect face and pride was born. But the thing is, is that satan has no control in heaven, so while yes it could happen again with a random guy it likely wont. Now yes, god is fine with you sinning, as he gave the domain down here to Satan, its your choice to either follow god or lucifer.
So my point was about how hell takes away free will and that God allows for people to be punished beyond the scope of what’s justified.
You addressed heaven, which was not in my point and then said that God created hell, which he gave over to Satan. So you basically sidestepped my point, and talked about something somewhat related
I apologize, hell cant exactly talke away free will as it was made by God. Hell can only corrupt and make it seem like you dont have free will, and while God does allow it, he doesnt enjoy it. He gives you a chance to not be punished beyond the scope of whats justified, and if you dont take it then the lord may give you visions (not everybody, its random) or people, to try and steer you into the right path atleast.
But then the corruption would effectively take it away anyway, as if you are so mentally broken that you don’t think you have free will, then you don’t. Especially if you can’t think or aren’t coherent.
Also I am talking about postmortem, so all things done while alive are not really considered for this point especially as God’s intervention in mortal life is kinda inconsequential when considered to what the afterlife entails.
I guess if the person is deceased, sure. But lets take a depressed person, we all know a depressed person can cure themselves, while yes some may find it harder than others its still easy, would that not be a sign that free will is possible if a person can choose break free from the hold of depression?
Depression limits your free will, it doesn’t get rid of it. The same as other mental disorders (such as OCD), but usually people need a lot of support or at least a comfortable space so saying “it’s still easy” is insensitive and comes off as naïve and brazen.
If you are at the point where you know longer think for yourself then you don’t have a free will of your own. And thus unless prompted by outside forces (I assume that God can’t interfere in Hell’s affairs) you will stay that way.
Lowkey stupid logic. How could everyone expect 8 people be evil. Either they were also evil and just got chosen or god was lazy and just picked some good enough people. I mean how would the millions of babys on earth be evil?
I’m an atheist.. According to there book, they were are evil and committing crimes that horrified god that why he send the flood.. you gotta learn the CONTEXT…
Bro . . . we know, it’s just that we all know / are aware so then there is no real reason to mention it
Press “X” to doubt this statement
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They did the whole keyboard in order but missed out the “X” . . . see it’s funny becau- *gets hit by a steel chair*
undertaker ahh moment
Never played the game
The Undertaker is a famous wrestler who had used a steel chair in one of his fights to knock out his opponent
Ahh, that one
Wrong
wdym wrong?
if you actually read and understand the bible, you would realize God does things for a reason. Even if that reason makes humans think he’s bad. He sent his ONLY Son to die. . .for humanity. All because he loves us.
Wrong
Whatever mate, have a good day, or night… whatever it is for you whenever you read this.
Wrong
In your case, it would be “Wong”
Wrong
Creative ahh answer
Why would she get fired for being assaulted? This is some american military career type nonsense
Bro 1 page running cop
FLINT LOCKWOOD
STEVE
Why are you fucking her, THERES PEOPLE IN THAT BUILDING
that’s what I’m saying.
I’d smash
5/10 I like the art but it’s forced
so what? they need consent then? GOOD.
Yeah consent is hot
Control is also hot, tho consent is given before and affirmation is confirmed during to make sure that if you are about to remove someones ability to consent you have it right before
Jesus you use big words Zyn but yeah I kinda agree
Honestly BDSM is often attributed to the lack of consent and thus connotated to rape, yet they are simply activities that just happen to be socially scarce. If considering the subject matter fairly, as you have to consent to more specific things that means consent plays a more integral role within more fiendish frolickers than vanilla plebians.
I don’t really like bdsm because being tied up and shit just doesn’t seem consenting like you said and I want my partner to feel nothing but ecstasy and pleasure when we’re doing the dance with no pants
You do know BDSM is more than just shibari and constraints? otherwise it would just be called that
Yeah kinda but again you were using such big words
I said “affirmation” and “confirmed” how are those considered “big”?
Those are pretty big
That’s what she said
No she didn’t
I’m describing sesbian lex?
Tactical NUKE INCOMING!!!!!
*Perfect parry*
You are? Anyways get nuked apparently
“those are pretty big” = boobs
What **SHE** said
Thus woman + woman = ???, fill in the blank?
Oh my bad, it would appear you were describing lesbian sex
to be fair I could have also been describing straight sex if you just swap the boobs with balls
That’s what I was thinking
Of course you were~
I’m never going to be able to beat the gay allegations am I T-T
nope! ^^
Well this is sad
“alexa play despacito”
*Alexa show me some moves*
*Alexa vibrates, clips into the table and disappears into the backrooms*
Well she gone
She on a “HIGHWAY TO HELL”
Or a “STAIRWAY TO HEAVEN”
“among (us) heaven and ear-”
*gets hit by a can of soup*
*gets severe ptsd*
Anyway how is your chronic ligma?
Just plain rape
Oops, all rape!
real
You still jerked your shit nigga
Nahhh, bro I’m here to read not tap where different nigga
Cap*
I meant fap fucking autocorrect….
Arent dandy’s world characters children
nga ts aint dandys world
You bout slow as fuck
Who the hell are you and how come I have not seen you at all till 1 month after your account’s creation?
I lurk in the shadows
More like goon in the shallows
Perhaps.
And you’re back a month later
Only one character is a child, and the other a dog. + This isn’t Roblox porn
This is NOT Dandy’s world. (Only confirmed children are Gourdy (the pumpkin guy) and Toodles (The eight ball))
I didn’t expect DW to get mentioned her of all places
Five minutes ago and its on the second page? Why does this site do this?